234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789 Romance of the Three Kingdoms II General stats List -- version 1.11 Created by DragonAtma (atmagamefaqs[at]dragonsrule[dot]cjb[dot]net) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Updates: (1/8/03) 0.97: I stuffed the excel stats into a txt format and submitted it. (9/12/03) 1.00: The last *four* generals (yes, Sun Liang is hidden there but unfindable -- see below). And the deathdates for Zhou Yu, Sun Jian, and Xun Yu have been expanded. I also added some family listings and generals who never appear in early scenarios. (9/22/03) 1.01: Minor updates. And some errors fixed. (2/19/04) 1.02: Gasp, there's a third Zhang Yi! Dan Holder found him, and sent me his info. (6/24/05) 1.10: I added a few updates, such as how the Xiahous and Cao Cao are (correctly) considered relatives. More importantly, I changed the copyright notices. (3/17/06) 1.11: E-mail change. Spammers should rot in hell. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- DISCLAIMER: Romance of the Three Kingdoms II is the property of Koei. However, I scribbled down various data from the cart into Excel, then translated it into TXT format, so no FAQ theft! I changed my mind, so this FAQ is allowed on nearly any website. It'll be on GameFAQs (www.gamefaqs.com), but you are freely allowed to put it up on your site as long as: (1) You do NOT claim credit for this FAQ. I wrote this, so all credit (barring the "special thanks" at the end) goes to your friendly Dragon (me). (2) You do NOT edit the faq in ANY way. (3) You keep the FAQ current by updating it whenver the gamefaqs copy is updated. (4) You upload it on your own site -- no leeching bandwidth. (5) You agree to take the faq down if I ask you to. It's unlikely, but... (6) You are NOT one of these despicable puddles of faq theft: * www.cheatcc.com. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- As for the reason I put in date of birth: Except for a few generals who die earlier, all generals have a chance of dying in January each year starting at the age of 67. (if anyone cares, the oldest I've seen a general die was Shang Quang at the venerable age of 92). These are the generals who die young: Sun Ce: 26-31 (200-205) Zhou Yu: 36-41 (210-215) Sun Jian: 37-44 (192-199) Lu Meng: 42 (219) Guo Jia: 48 (207) Xun Yu: 50-53 (212-215) Zhuge Liang: 54-58 (234-238) Yuan Shao: 58-61 (202-205) Xun You: 58-62 (214-218) And, of course, some generals may die late -- Jia Xue, for example, is alive and kicking at 74 in scenario 6, and he's guaranteed to live at least another year! Yet in other scenarios he can die as early as 214, meaning he'd miss scenarios 5 AND 6. On with the list! General Int War Chm Tot. Avg. Born Ahui Nan 12 73 10 95 31.67 187 Bao Long 40 68 50 158 52.67 169 Bao Xin 30 42 41 113 37.67 152 Bu Zhi 75 27 75 177 59.00 179 Cai He 39 38 35 112 37.33 179 Cai Mao 77 75 69 221 73.67 154 Cai Xun 62 64 62 188 62.67 159 Cai Zhong 38 35 34 107 35.67 181 Cao Ang 52 59 60 171 57.00 174 Cao Bao 13 19 15 47 15.67 144 Cao Cao 95 91 95 281 93.67 154 Cao Chun 52 62 47 161 53.67 169 Cao Hong 50 72 70 192 64.00 168 Cao Pi 76 70 80 226 75.33 186 Cao Ren 64 84 63 211 70.33 167 Cao Rui 83 71 84 238 79.33 204 Cao Shuang 54 64 64 182 60.67 214 Cao Xiu 68 74 71 213 71.00 189 Cao Zhang 60 92 72 224 74.67 189 Cao Zhen 56 65 62 183 61.00 184 Cao Zhi 80 15 80 175 58.33 191 Chen Deng 74 25 73 172 57.33 149 Chen Gong 81 58 65 204 68.00 153 Chen Jiao 79 18 73 170 56.67 149 Chen Lan 30 66 36 132 44.00 160 Chen Qun 93 49 77 219 73.00 186 Chen Shi 30 70 40 140 46.67 182 Chen Tai 79 79 44 202 67.33 199 Chen Wu 56 70 36 162 54.00 164 Chen Xi 24 64 34 122 40.67 174 Chen Ying 19 62 22 103 34.33 166 Chen Zhen 78 37 42 157 52.33 144 Cheng Bing 75 18 76 169 56.33 168 Cheng Pu 84 60 87 231 77.00 150 Cheng Wu 81 44 72 197 65.67 200 Cheng Yi 35 61 38 134 44.67 174 Cheng Yin 35 70 39 144 48.00 172 Cheng Yu 90 26 76 192 64.00 150 Chunyu Qiong 65 76 68 209 69.67 145 Deng Qian 67 68 58 193 64.33 172 Deng Yi 26 63 51 140 46.67 168 Deng Zhi 85 54 93 232 77.33 169 Dian Man 26 80 49 155 51.67 179 Dian Wei 31 97 52 180 60.00 159 Ding Feng 72 44 67 183 61.00 160 Dong Ai 94 86 79 259 86.33 204 Dong He 70 36 76 182 60.67 157 Dong Heng 43 81 75 199 66.33 168 Dong Min 53 59 51 163 54.33 148 Dong Tuno 13 60 16 89 29.67 184 Dong Xi 42 56 53 151 50.33 165 Dong Yun 86 21 72 179 59.67 163 Dong Zhuo 55 90 44 189 63.00 138 Du Xi 61 67 56 184 61.33 163 Duo Si 66 53 36 155 51.67 174 Fa Zheng 86 53 78 217 72.33 175 Fan Chou 21 82 41 144 48.00 152 Fan Jiang 37 41 26 104 34.67 173 Fei Guan 44 57 46 147 49.00 166 Fei Shi 57 31 49 137 45.67 168 Fei Wei 83 24 82 189 63.00 167 Feng Ji 80 70 50 200 66.67 152 Fu Gan 76 48 55 179 59.67 163 Fu Shiren 59 32 20 111 37.00 165 Fu Tong 67 68 67 202 67.33 167 Gan Ning 51 92 52 195 65.00 174 Gao Ding 15 66 66 147 49.00 172 Gao Gan 32 41 37 110 36.67 169 Gao Lan 30 74 52 156 52.00 158 Gao Pei 40 53 52 145 48.33 169 Gao Shun 42 51 60 153 51.00 157 Gong Zhi 46 42 52 140 46.67 157 Gongsun Yuan 71 84 63 218 72.67 204 Gongsun Yue 49 63 65 177 59.00 159 Gongsun Zan 70 75 72 217 72.33 152 Gu Yong 73 21 74 168 56.00 176 Guan Ping 70 82 75 227 75.67 179 Guan Suo 68 91 69 228 76.00 191 Guan Xing 69 90 70 229 76.33 187 Guan Yu 83 99 91 273 91.00 161 Guanqiu Jian 51 90 55 196 65.33 201 Guo Huai 64 54 51 169 56.33 176 Guo Jia 97 39 86 222 74.00 159 Guo Si 30 59 42 131 43.67 145 Guo Tu 80 32 42 154 51.33 153 Guo Yi 89 30 71 190 63.33 184 Guo Youzhi 74 32 68 174 58.00 179 Hain Fu 53 51 50 154 51.33 148 Han Dang 47 58 51 156 52.00 155 Han Hao 25 31 15 71 23.67 152 Han Song 80 40 46 166 55.33 153 Han Sui 82 46 78 206 68.67 171 Han Xian 41 43 40 124 41.33 158 Han Xuan 21 34 12 67 22.33 150 Han Ze 79 42 63 184 61.33 158 Hao Meng 51 47 67 165 55.00 155 Hao Zhao 71 84 81 236 78.67 171 Hou Cheng 40 66 46 152 50.67 157 Hou Xuan 34 71 58 163 54.33 174 Hu Xin 78 29 85 192 64.00 156 Hu Zhen 24 40 38 102 34.00 157 Hua Xiong 31 91 33 155 51.67 154 Huan Cheng 41 40 52 133 44.33 155 Huang Gai 58 88 73 219 73.00 149 Huang Quan 77 42 53 172 57.33 161 Huang Wan 58 55 49 162 54.00 152 Huang Zhong 66 96 83 245 81.67 147 Huang Zhu 48 65 43 156 52.00 151 Huo Jun 66 65 74 205 68.33 167 Ji Ling 31 62 55 148 49.33 154 Jia Hua 58 61 51 170 56.67 159 Jia Kui 68 57 62 187 62.33 176 Jia Xue 95 42 62 199 66.33 146 Jian Yong 72 46 76 194 64.67 176 Jiang Wan 84 61 83 228 76.00 171 Jiang Wei 94 91 88 273 91.00 201 Jiang Yiqu 33 70 61 164 54.67 158 Jiao Chu 33 68 51 152 50.67 158 Jin Xuan 29 43 37 109 36.33 149 Jinhuan Jie 13 57 14 84 28.00 176 Ju Shou 84 61 76 221 73.67 155 Kong Rong 82 35 87 204 68.00 152 Kuai Liang 86 30 46 162 54.00 154 Kuai Yue 82 31 77 190 63.33 156 Lei Bo 41 67 19 127 42.33 159 Lei Tong 47 87 53 187 62.33 172 Leng Bao 25 67 52 144 48.00 161 Li Dian 40 56 45 141 47.00 160 Li Feng 33 69 41 143 47.67 154 Li Gui 63 29 73 165 55.00 156 Li Hui 90 39 80 209 69.67 159 Li Jue 41 50 40 131 43.67 147 Li Ru 91 27 43 161 53.67 149 Li Su 47 53 44 144 48.00 155 Li Tong 57 69 59 185 61.67 156 Li Yan 65 76 75 216 72.00 170 Li Yi 29 80 33 142 47.33 164 Li Zhan 38 53 30 121 40.33 175 Liang Gang 33 55 61 149 49.67 159 Liang Xing 23 72 24 119 39.67 176 Liao Hua 61 65 69 195 65.00 174 Ling Cao 28 82 51 161 53.67 164 Ling Tong 67 83 73 223 74.33 184 Liu Ba 60 32 48 140 46.67 169 Liu Bao 60 14 56 130 43.33 163 Liu Bei 85 70 99 254 84.67 160 Liu Biao 74 73 68 215 71.67 141 Liu Chan 33 23 74 130 43.33 206 Liu Dai 48 64 68 180 60.00 155 Liu Du 55 54 66 175 58.33 144 Liu Feng 58 61 60 179 59.67 189 Liu Gui 42 50 31 123 41.00 173 Liu Pan 34 35 66 135 45.00 168 Liu Qi 84 30 71 185 61.67 179 Liu Xun 45 60 58 163 54.33 189 Liu Yan (1) 85 45 90 220 73.33 136 Liu Yan (2) 41 44 39 124 41.33 165 Liu Ye 84 36 81 201 67.00 159 Liu Yong 56 18 23 97 32.33 150 Liu Zhang 70 50 90 210 70.00 157 Liu Zong 70 60 51 181 60.33 184 Lu Ba 81 73 77 231 77.00 199 Lu Bu 25 100 15 140 46.67 154 Lu Chang 33 68 46 147 49.00 160 Lu Fan 77 28 74 179 59.67 163 Lu Gong 46 36 62 144 48.00 159 Lu Ji 69 33 69 171 57.00 169 Lu Jian 53 66 55 174 58.00 165 Lu Kai 77 45 70 192 64.00 163 Lu Kuang 23 78 51 152 50.67 161 Lu Meng 86 83 86 255 85.00 177 Lu Qian 25 73 60 158 52.67 158 Lu Su 96 63 92 251 83.67 171 Lu Xiang 22 77 47 146 48.67 163 Lu Xun 96 81 85 262 87.33 182 Lu Yi 60 33 59 152 50.67 166 Ma Chao 42 98 60 200 66.67 175 Ma Dai 49 83 54 186 62.00 176 Ma Liang 91 43 83 217 72.33 186 Ma Teng 54 95 87 236 78.67 155 Ma Tie 36 60 51 147 49.00 177 Ma Wan 23 52 26 101 33.67 174 Ma Xiu 46 52 50 148 49.33 179 Ma Xu 80 75 70 225 75.00 189 Ma Yan 41 64 51 156 52.00 158 Ma Zhong 52 56 53 161 53.67 170 Man Chong 81 40 92 213 71.00 169 Mao Jie 47 52 53 152 50.67 160 Meng Da 71 72 65 208 69.33 171 Meng Huo 20 89 39 148 49.33 186 Meng You 10 82 13 105 35.00 189 Mi Fang 23 61 13 97 32.33 169 Mi Zhu 78 41 77 196 65.33 164 Niou Jin 33 86 54 173 57.67 171 Pan Feng 16 74 16 106 35.33 166 Pan Tun 44 52 37 133 44.33 166 Pan Zhang 37 74 54 165 55.00 170 Pang De 64 94 71 229 76.33 178 Pang Rou 56 66 33 155 51.67 176 Pang Tong 98 61 87 246 82.00 177 Pang Yi 73 34 67 174 58.00 173 Quan Zong 27 52 67 146 48.67 182 Shamo Ke 22 83 24 129 43.00 166 Shang Long 41 85 70 196 65.33 175 Shang Quang 72 20 54 146 48.67 172 Shen Pei 80 72 71 223 74.33 155 Shen Rong 49 48 47 144 48.00 159 Sima Shi 89 66 82 237 79.00 207 Sima Yi 98 67 93 258 86.00 178 Sima Zhao 88 65 70 223 74.33 210 Song Qian 31 66 51 148 49.33 167 Song Xian 43 57 38 138 46.00 156 Song Zhong 39 32 57 128 42.67 153 Sun Ce 88 94 93 275 91.67 174 Sun Deng 39 38 80 157 52.33 206 Sun He 37 39 79 155 51.67 222 Sun Huan 47 56 63 166 55.33 185 Sun Jian 87 90 89 266 88.67 155 Sun Li 71 72 57 200 66.67 179 Sun Liang 55 28 86 169 56.33 111* Sun Qian 78 37 91 206 68.67 164 Sun Quan 89 87 98 274 91.33 181 Sun Yi 41 81 40 162 54.00 183 Sun Yu 53 62 71 186 62.00 182 Taishi Ci 68 95 71 234 78.00 165 Tan Xiong 22 81 32 135 45.00 169 Tao Quian 62 51 78 191 63.67 131 Tian Feng 90 46 78 214 71.33 159 Wang Can 85 29 70 184 61.33 176 Wang Kai 58 31 24 113 37.67 158 Wang Kang 53 55 62 170 56.67 157 Wang Kuang 33 45 43 121 40.33 160 Wang Lang 60 48 48 156 52.00 151 Wang Lei 82 19 74 175 58.33 172 Wang Ping 49 73 80 202 67.33 181 Wang Shuang 18 89 22 129 43.00 179 Wang Wei 32 70 62 164 54.67 168 Wang Xiu 50 40 64 154 51.33 168 Wang Zhong 34 52 53 139 46.33 166 Wei Xu 48 75 49 172 57.33 155 Wei Yan 48 94 58 200 66.67 174 Wen Chou 18 91 57 166 55.33 160 Wen Pin 21 84 44 149 49.67 173 Wen Qin 27 81 59 167 55.67 199 Wu Anquo 20 68 17 105 35.00 157 Wu Ban 45 60 53 158 52.67 170 Wu Lan 49 86 53 188 62.67 169 Wu Yi 58 73 70 201 67.00 145 Xiahou Ba 55 89 73 217 72.33 184 Xiahou De 55 68 61 184 61.33 186 Xiahou Dun 59 93 71 223 74.33 156 Xiahou En 65 63 72 200 66.67 166 Xiahou He 82 70 73 225 75.00 199 Xiahou Hui 84 53 80 217 72.33 194 Xiahou Mao 32 39 24 95 31.67 176 Xiahou Shang 62 69 68 199 66.33 187 Xiahou Wei 75 74 73 222 74.00 188 Xiahou Yuan 60 90 71 221 73.67 157 Xie Jing 22 80 24 126 42.00 177 Xin Pi 78 48 81 207 69.00 149 Xin Ping 63 71 67 201 67.00 156 Xingdao Rong 29 80 62 171 57.00 168 Xu Huang 45 92 68 205 68.33 169 Xu Jing 78 23 53 154 51.33 168 Xu Rong 35 41 38 114 38.00 146 Xu Shang 54 63 48 165 55.00 164 Xu Sheng 74 64 68 206 68.67 176 Xu Shu 96 64 85 245 81.67 172 Xu Si 38 22 34 94 31.33 164 Xu You 79 42 46 167 55.67 151 Xu Zhu 20 98 66 184 61.33 169 Xue Zong 73 33 66 172 57.33 163 Xun You 94 41 72 207 69.00 156 Xun Yu 97 39 89 225 75.00 162 Yan Jun 78 26 63 167 55.67 168 Yan Liang 27 90 51 168 56.00 154 Yan Yan 70 87 72 229 76.33 149 Yang Ang 21 66 23 110 36.67 153 Yang Bai 34 59 45 138 46.00 169 Yang Feng 50 62 71 183 61.00 157 Yang Hong 40 17 46 103 34.33 178 Yang Huai 46 77 65 188 62.67 166 Yang Kai 46 75 58 179 59.67 169 Yang Ling 60 52 54 166 55.33 169 Yang Ping 24 70 69 163 54.33 167 Yang Qiu 14 68 39 121 40.33 173 Yang Ren 52 61 51 164 54.67 171 Yang Song 34 33 31 98 32.67 166 Yang Xiu 91 31 56 178 59.33 174 Yang Yi 70 38 53 161 53.67 182 Yi Ji 81 27 88 196 65.33 161 Yin Mo 62 11 31 104 34.67 154 Yu Fan 80 38 71 189 63.00 163 Yu Jin 53 55 40 148 49.33 158 Yuan Pu 80 33 42 155 51.67 162 Yuan Shang 64 68 52 184 61.33 169 Yuan Shao 70 81 70 221 73.67 144 Yuan Shu 69 80 50 199 66.33 153 Yuan Tan 55 57 52 164 54.67 164 Yuan Xi 63 60 50 173 57.67 165 Yuan Yin 59 27 74 160 53.33 162 Yue Jin 38 44 41 123 41.00 158 Yue Jiou 54 74 53 181 60.33 162 Zhang Bao 35 93 54 182 60.67 188 Zhang Cheng 42 64 57 163 54.33 176 Zhang Da 32 34 24 90 30.00 174 Zhang Fei 32 99 35 166 55.33 167 Zhang He (1) 69 90 61 220 73.33 166 Zhang He (2) 57 55 45 157 52.33 194 Zhang Heng 33 73 68 174 58.00 164 Zhang Hing 30 71 20 121 40.33 177 Zhang Hong 94 28 88 210 70.00 171 Zhang Ji 67 30 31 128 42.67 143 Zhang Liao 80 91 80 251 83.67 170 Zhang Lu 80 70 88 238 79.33 160 Zhang Miao 25 43 41 109 36.33 154 Zhang Nan 40 53 49 142 47.33 167 Zhang Ren 67 88 72 227 75.67 168 Zhang Song 92 35 80 207 69.00 169 Zhang Wen 71 27 74 172 57.33 190 Zhang Xiou 80 34 75 189 63.00 179 Zhang Xiu 50 75 75 200 66.67 153 Zhang Xun 18 61 21 100 33.33 155 Zhang Yi (1) 32 65 21 118 39.33 156 Zhang Yi (2) 41 70 64 175 58.33 174 Zhang Yi (3) 41 58 52 151 50.33 157 Zhang Ying 51 72 54 177 59.00 153 Zhang Yun 70 61 42 173 57.67 162 Zhang Zhao 95 30 84 209 69.67 155 Zhang Zhu 33 51 38 122 40.67 169 Zhang Zi 27 36 52 115 38.33 156 Zhao Cen 24 64 26 114 38.00 159 Zhao Fan 45 50 43 138 46.00 155 Zhao Guang 65 71 68 204 68.00 186 Zhao Lei 65 61 71 197 65.67 166 Zhao Tong 72 78 76 226 75.33 184 Zhao Yun 85 99 92 276 92.00 155 Zhong Hui 95 62 77 234 78.00 214 Zhong Yao 79 16 24 119 39.67 150 Zhou Cang 31 87 55 173 57.67 168 Zhou Fang 78 51 66 195 65.00 175 Zhou Tai 52 85 70 207 69.00 162 Zhou Yu 97 78 95 270 90.00 174 Zhu Bao 13 73 18 104 34.67 187 Zhu Huan 76 82 80 238 79.33 183 Zhu Ling 39 75 40 154 51.33 171 Zhu Ran 33 78 65 176 58.67 169 Zhu Zhi 43 44 45 132 44.00 154 Zhuge Dan 71 79 82 232 77.33 209 Zhuge Jin 93 52 92 237 79.00 173 Zhuge Liang 100 65 98 263 87.67 180 Zhuge Luo 95 50 80 225 75.00 202 Some generals can only be found starting in scenario 2 or later: * Zhang Lu (2+) * Jin Xuan (scenario 4 only) * Meng Huo and some of his followers (scenarios 5 and 6) Also for a list of who's a child (or really close follower) of who auto-joins someone: * Cao Cao has Cao Ang, and gets Cao Pi (202), Cao Zhang (205), and Cao Zhi (207). Note that Cao Ang would only inherit the throne after all other direct relatives. Also, the Xiahous (at least Xiahou De) are correctly considered to be relatives, so they can inherit the throne if no Caos (barring Cao Bao) remain. * Cao Cao also gets Sima Yi (195-200, exact date unknown). * Cao Pi gets Cao Rui (220) * Cao Zhen gets Cao Shuang (230) * Cheng Yu gets Cheng Wu (216) * Dian Wei gets Dian Man (195) * Guan Yu gets Guan Ping (195), Guan Xing (203), and Guan Suo (207). * Guo Jia gets Guo Yi (200) * Ling Cao gets Ling Tong (200) * Liu Bei gets Liu Feng (205) and Liu Chan (222). Note that Liu Feng would only inherit the throne after Liu Chan (but before the Guans and Zhangs). * Liu Biao gets Liu Qi (195) and Liu Zong (200). Note that Liu Qi would only inherit the throne AFTER Liu Zong (dang you Cai Mao!). * Liu Yan always has Liu Zhang, who gets Liu Xun (205). * Ma Teng gets Ma Chao (191), Ma Dai (192), Ma Tie (193), and Ma Xiu (195). As a nephew, Ma Dai would only inherit the throne after the other three. And despite the family name, Ma Wan is not related to the others. * Sima Yi gets Sima Shi (223) and Sima Zhao (226). * Sun Jian starts with Sun Ce and gets Sun Quan (197), Sun Yu (198), Sun Yi (199), and Sun Huan (201). Sun Jian and Sun Ce's early auto-deaths will send them to Sun Ce and then Sun Quan if they haven't arrived yet. * Sun Ce gets Zhou Yu (190) and Lu Meng (193) despite not being relatives. * Sun Quan gets Sun Deng (222) and Sun He (238). He also gets Sun Liang (after Sun He, of coruse), but I have yet to hear if Sun Liang dies young (which sounds likely). * Wu Lan may be related to Wu Yi, but both are there from the beginning. * Xiahou Dun gets Xiahou Mao (193). * Xiahou Yuan gets Xiahou Ba (200). * Yuan Shao already has Yuan Tan, Yuan Xi, and Yuan Shang. * Zhang Fei gets Zhang Bao (204). * Zhao Yun gets Zhao Tong (200) and Zhao Guang (202). * Zhong Yao gets Zhong Hui (230)... if he lives to 80. On a side note, there are at least three more pairs of relatives: Han Xuan and Han Hao, and Cai Mao, Cai He, Cai Zhong, and Cai xun. However, Cai Xun, Cai He, and Cai Zhong can only be found by searching, while Han Hao either is found by searching (scenarios 1-3) or in Cao Cao's lands (scenarios 4 and 5). In addition, I believe Zhu Ran is Zhu Zhi's son, but Zhu Ran is found by searching in province 26. Shen Rong is Shen Pei's nephew, but must be searched for in province 6. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Special thanks go out to: Donald, for inspiring me to write FAQs. www.threekingdoms.com, for posting a translation of the entire Romance Of The Three Kingdoms novel. CJayC, for posting this guide. Xdonthave1xx[at]aol[dot]com (whoever you are!) for also confirming stats on Sun He, Zhong Hui, and Cao Shuang. Dan Holder for pointing out that there's a third Zhang Yi. The Blue Imp (pointing out that Xiahou De is considered a relative of Cao Cao) The entire Ro3K2 board: * http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=588628 No thanks to Murray. Copyright 2003-2006 DragonAtma (Gregory Irgang).